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Never thought I'd be so happy to have Nadine Dorries in our party and NOT following the party line!
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I'm really pleased the limit is going ahead. It clearly shows that we (and some LibDems) believe that fairness isn't about how much benefits you give to someone, but also considering if people on benefits are better off than those in work. Those who work SHOULD always be better off and even though jobs are in short supply for now - it's good to get a limit in and try to change attitudes/behaviour. When unemployment falls, people will know that staying on benefits won't bring in as much money as going out and working. Good on Clegg for sticking with the policy. His left wingers might well be wavering, but they're utterly wrong and need to realise that fairness is for all people NOT just those on benefits!
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Oh, come on! If ever there was a time we could all agree with Clegg, it's surely this! The Welfare System has infected this country like a disease. It was Labour's plan to make people dependant on a tax credit or an allowance in one way or another so that at every election they could threaten people and say "those nasty Tories will take it all away." And they were partly right because we believe in letting more people keep their own money (the money they earn) rather than taking tax from everyone and then thinking government knows best how to spend it. There are people in genuine need and there are those who play the system - it's good to see a government doing something about it rather than tough talk and no action (Labour X13 years.)
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I have no respect for the Labour party, but this is a storm in a teacup and we should be focusing on their record and their goal of doing damage all over again, rather than talking about a foolish tweet.
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The LibDems did the right thing over the popular thing by going into government. They've already shown they're more credible on the economy than Labour by recognising that cuts had to be made. Tories are disliked by many because they always have to come in and clean up after Labour. It's rarely popular, but then medicine doesn't always taste great and it DOES THE JOB. The LibDems are unpopular now, but they're getting their policies through for the first time in 100 years so their supporters should be pleased about that. We can all look at our parties and say "well, they've done this wrong and that wrong and they said they weren't going to do that" but they've also done some good things and that shouldn't be ignored. Labour were terrible in their later years, but I think they did some good in the early years. Basically, Clegg and the LibDems with us are 100 times better than if it'd been a LibLab pact. We'd already be going to the IMF by now because the left like to spend money they don't have.
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Any Labour leader would struggle against the current government because in many ways they get the best bits of both parties - some of the fairness of the Lib Dems and some of the realistic economics of the Tories. But Ed Milliband is a Hague-type figure who has no chance of being taken seriously. David Milliband would've been more upfront about where he would've cut, whereas his brother just bleats on about all the extra spending he and Balls would do. More spending, more borrowing = the public KNOW that's what got us into the mess, they won't go for it again.
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Thank God we've got Cameron as PM right now because nobody's in any doubt that Brown and Blair would have bent over for Sarkozy within the first 10 minutes of the meeting. I know many on the right will still want more, but this is a good start and it's time we congratulated Cameron for doing the right thing. Will this make us even more hated in Europe? Probably. BUT hopefully the people of Europe will see Cameron and think "Hey! Why are our leaders not like him? They give away our powers and law making decisions willie-nillie, whereas the Brits have a PM who stands up for Britain." Even the French with their lack of free press have Facebook and Twitter now so it can't be spun as some kind of victory. I wanted Cameron to be a Thatcher this week and not a Blair and for me, he's done a good job.
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Bit fed up of opinion polls and all this speculation. No general election until 2015 so it's basically a waste of time until 2014. When 2014 comes then polls will matter and if the economy is terrible then Labour may get another chance to borrow, borrrow, borrow, but hopefully growth will be strong and we will have a majority in 2015.
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He hasn't got a chance in hell given the dire economy at the moment, but best of luck to him. Any win for Labour will give Milliband a boost he badly needs, but halving their majority would be a good result.
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I really like Danny Alexander and I think him and Maude have done their best to avoid this strike, but as soon as Labour got kicked out and the "cuts" began - the unions became hellbent on striking. Turkey's don't vote for Christmas etc etc. I say, if you strike then you don't just lose one day's pay, you lose a week's pay for every day you strike. That'd soon make people think a bit harder about following the union leaders like brainless zombies.
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I agree that Cameron was shifty on detail a few months ago and then started doing his homework. It really has shown these past few weeks and Milliband is screwed now at PMQs. Stuck. Record. He should study Cameron as Leader Of The Opposition against Brown - THAT was relentless and brutal pretty much every single week.
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I'm getting sick and tired of the LibDems getting the blame for pretty much every single thing we don't do in government. Let's be honest here - if it's a choice between growth and no growth the LibDems will opt for growth because they need to rescue the economy just as much as we do. If deregulation will boost growth (which I think is wishful thinking anyway) then Osbourne should say "we're doing this or it's game over." We can't keep blaming others, it's time to take action and show why we wanted to get into power. A few years ago people weren't even thinking much about deficit reduction. We need to carry on trying to pay down the deficit, but also growth is essential for it to happen.
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I'd rather have to pay 50P to make sure the system is fairer/less corrupt than wait a few years until yet another funding scandal breaks. It doesn't just damage one party, it usually damages all parties and people think badly enough about politics already. We should stop dragging out heels on this. It's not about who can raise the most money anyway, it's about who has the right policies.
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Cameron's only been PM for 18 months. I'll judge him at the next election.
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I do think he's impressive, but not seen very much. He's like the opposite to Oliver Letwin, who seems to be seen quite a bit (but for all the wrong reasons.) Maude has done his best on pensions, but there was always going to be an anti-Tory strike. The unions don't like it when their puppets aren't in power and they do anything to change it back to how they think it should be. See 1980s.
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"45% of Lib Dems want a Conservative government, and only 20% want a Labour government." This bit surprised me a bit. Most Lib Dems seem closer to Labour, but maybe they've realised that Labour would bankrupt the country all over again and they see what this coalition is delivering: Pupil premium, free schools revolution, NHS steady spending (although not as high as we were all told/expecting), justice reform. I don't know why, but it feels like the LibCon coalition feels like even though there's not much money to spend - we're getting lots of brill policies and I really hope we keep labour out next election. If we get a Tory government then great, but I do like what the LibDems bring - even if people get annoyed with them over Europe and stuff. Anyway, I've always thought LibDem voters were more euroskeptic than the party's MPs and I think the polls show this as well.
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You're right, it's a coalition and some people in our party seem to think they can have everything they want when in reality - we DIDN'T win outright. How many voters didn't vote for us because they thought we were too centrist? Not many. Maybe half of UKIP's vote. How many didn't vote for us because they saw us as too right wing? Millions. The problem isn't Cameron, the problem is the Europe obsessed wing of our party.
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When we were in opposition, I felt like we as a party were like a family with varying views, but always a family at the end of the day. Now that we're in power, it feels like we spend far too long attacking each other rather than attacking Labour. We should pull together no matter what our views on Europe and stop using such extreme language. Saying things like Cameron is the worst PM ever when we've just had Brown and Blair and Major in recent years is just unbelieveable. Is Cameron perfect? Hell no! But he did win us more seats than Hague, IDS and Howard put together. We should remember that everytime a right winger wants us to obsess on Europe or immigration. I do wish the government would do a lot more on growth and jobs, but not small gimmics but rather long lasting changes to spur private sector growth. Let's all try to fight for a Tory government in 2015 rather than making ourselves look divided and split.
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There does seem to be a lot of anger from Tory members/some Tory voters over Europe and stuff, but that's nothing new. Those of us who actually want to win the next election are sticking with Cameron because he did what 3 right wing Tory leaders failed to do and that was to win nearly 100 seats at the last election. Was it enough? No. But the problem wasn't that we went too far from the right, it was that we didn't go far enough. If we want more election failures like in 97,01 and 05 then let's start calling for a more right wing agenda. If we're interested in winning in 2015 then we should focus on what most people care about: Jobs, growth, education, NHS (seems like we've already messed this one up though!)
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I agree with Nick. It's not envy, it's called fairness. As a Tory who actually wants to WIN the next election and not just pander to the base that will mostly vote for us anyway, I believe in helping the majority not the minority. The very people urging for the top tax rate to be axed are the same people who will benefit from the change. I think that's what you call selfish, especially when 90% of us are dealing with services being cut. Am I against cuts? No. Am I against tackling the deficit? No. Am I alone in thinking there are a thousand other/better ways of boosting growth than cutting the top rate of tax? God, I hope not. People already think we've been too nice to the banks with the corp tax so helping the rich should be our last priority right now. I'm all for being more right wing on Europe and Immigration because it's not only right and fair and democratic, but the public WANT us to tackle those issues. Ask Average Joe what he thinks of cutting taxes for the richest. Just see what he says.
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Seems like a Gordon Brown-type scheme to me so I'm skeptical. I'm not expert, but didn't a lot of the problems in 2008 start because banks were lending to people who couldn't ever pay them back? Should we really be lending to businesses that banks have already decided aren't strong enough and who probably won't ever pay back what they owe? I agree with the earlier comments about cutting taxes for businesses rather than this nanny-state rubbish.
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Cameron was at his best. Ed was at his worst. Hope it stays like this for the next 2/3 years.
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I do wish cabinet ministers would stop mocking the protestors for buying coffee from starbucks. What we need to focus on is the richest in our country getting massive bonuses and people in the real world having their services cut and their wages frozen. I'm a Tory and I believe in capitalism so don't paint me as a socialist, but if we want to win the next election and if we want to be the party of Britain and not the party of the better off then we need to tackle excess at the top.
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Haven't been this impressed with Osbourne since his first budget, where he stopped pretty much everyone ever using the Boy George tag ever again. Osbourne stands up for the UK and that's what Thatcher did and it's what the British people want. LOVE our moral highground about International Aid. I can see Osbourne using this time and time again to prove that we live up to our commitments, whereas others in the EU make big promises and then fail to deliver.
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