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I would agree that the responsibility would be that of the parents....but where do you think the parents are? I don't believe you can ensure parent responsibility... Fines and community service would not work...punishment only creates manipulation it never fixes the problem. The fines would be unpaid and the community service undone and it would only be put in the hands of an already stressed judicial system in the city. It's a social issue ... and a social problem and only can community support really ever intend on helping or making changes. With the down economy and decreased government spending for social programs in the state the problem is only going to increase.
Toggle Commented May 5, 2010 on Curbing youth violence at Unfettered Letters
"Fall From Grace" is an excellent documentary on the Phelps family. I suggest you watch it if you are interested but like the Phelp's protocol it is very inciting. When shown the film Fred loved and said that he thought it showed them in a positive light (what a delusion) In the film one of the interviewees stated that the best offense against the Phelps is to ignore and I would have to agree. There is also a March on May 1st in Gage Park in Topeka to protest the Phelps. This would be the third annual march if you are interested.
Toggle Commented Apr 30, 2010 on Foul Fred Phelps at Unfettered Letters
FoxNews is scary because it poses as a moderate media outlet "Fair and Balanced" when in fact its controlled by one of the richest men in the world who was thought Ronald Reagan was god's gift to Earth and selects the topic of the day in his mind for all of his outlets to cover.
Toggle Commented Apr 16, 2010 on Inflammatory rhetoric at Unfettered Letters
Larry, Fear has been a product of America Media, Politics, and Extremists for a long time. People nowadays are consumed by Fear. All politicans have to do is tell use what to be afraid of and we are keyed in. This is one of the biggest precursors to a closing nation our media is run by corporations with political agendas (and unlimited buying power now) and they have an immense amount of influence. If you are interested I suggest you read or watch 'End of America' by Naomi Wolf and also a documentary about FoxNews 'Out Foxed' both are great insights into what is really going on with American mainstream media. When the FoxNews gets more viewers than all other media outlets combined it is very scary...objectivity is lost and the nation is blinded by corporate agenda.
Toggle Commented Apr 16, 2010 on Inflammatory rhetoric at Unfettered Letters
Gary, Yes you are right I believe that the lack of teaching critical thinking pre-dates 'no child left behind' I would be nice to see those courses enlisted in our school curriculum. It seems easy tome but Socrates taught his students only by using questions and that was 2000 years ago... Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that when schools compete for funding they lose track of what is really important (education) Would be nice to see a revamping of appropriation of funds for the education of youth. This is one of the fundamental reason I will never teach in a public school and will only teach at the college level.
Toggle Commented Apr 9, 2010 on Critical thinking at Unfettered Letters
That doesn't surprise me at all Kee...your intentions on this blog are not to facilitate any sort of constructive conversation about any topic. I hope that sometime you will be willing to offer logical and useful prose about the actual concerns of the letters written on this blog. Hope you are having an excellent day and have a wonderful weekend too! Pray for me at church.
Toggle Commented Apr 9, 2010 on Critical thinking at Unfettered Letters
I'm glad you are able to logically respond to the actual letter Kee.
Toggle Commented Apr 9, 2010 on Critical thinking at Unfettered Letters
Jeff, You are exactly right...No Child Left Behind inhibits our public school teachers from teaching important fundamentals when things like their jobs and salaries are on the line based on their classes standardized test scores. This is the major reason that America is lagging behind in science and math compared to other nations. Even though I'm an 'Obama Fan' his 'Race To the Top' program is sadly much of the same. We are going to see education cut...schools closing everywhere...and larger classrooms for our children unless some action is taken. Good post!
Toggle Commented Apr 9, 2010 on Critical thinking at Unfettered Letters
Although the sanctity of the IPU has been mostly perverted we can still get the true teachings and message of the IPU if we look at the whole story. We all just need to accept it into our hearts to be saved... Iggy ...the IPU stands for Purple not pink the IPU is asexual...it is a magestic diety one that we can all be proud of! It will come again to Earth to reveal its truth and we followers will stay in its glorious stables and dine with holy feed bags.
Toggle Commented Apr 6, 2010 on Christian values? at Unfettered Letters
Iggy, I didn't mean Franz was an Evangelical...I was commenting on his observation that Conservatives tout their religiosity and how when a politician claims he is an evangelical he just won 30 million votes. I think it is also interesting that the provocation has changed hands here..it used to be Iggy and now Rick, Zeno, and Kee are trying to incite you to blasphemy....interesting
Toggle Commented Apr 6, 2010 on Christian values? at Unfettered Letters
Iggy, I didn't mean Franz was an Evangelical...I was commenting on his observation that Conservatives tout their religiosity and how when a politician claims he is an evangelical he just won 30 million votes. I think it is also interesting that the provocation has changed hands here..it used to be Iggy and now Rick, Zeno, and Kee are trying to incite you to blasphemy....interesting
Toggle Commented Apr 6, 2010 on Christian values? at Unfettered Letters
Yes Franz, It's pretty despicable... just say your an Evangelist and you want to take God's country back and you have yourself roughly 30 to 50 million votes. Then you say stuff like Magog and Gog and you have a war that has taken longer than World War II in a countries we really have no business in. More people die in 7 days from smoking related illness than on that tragic day 9/11 but there is no war on tobacco (mostly cause they pay off the politicians) Depending on your source 50 to 125 people die a day due to lack of healthcare...but God commands those republicans to save Humana money!!! Some reports say 300,000 die yearly due to obesity...but there is no War against McDonalds. These Christian politicians due very well at confusing their voters....the pulpit does a good job of that too.
Toggle Commented Apr 6, 2010 on Christian values? at Unfettered Letters
Bashiba, I think I disagree with you whole-heartedly on two points: 1. This great nation was not founded on Judeo-Christian values. The founding fathers were rationalists and products of the 'Enlightenment' that led them from organized religions like Christianity. Using the word 'Creator' is interesting because maybe the founding fathers believed that the 'Creator' was Brahma or Ahura Mazdah. 2. Since I completely disagree with the idea that 'Christian values' has allowed me to think and associate in the way I see fit. I wonder if Galileo felt the same way a few hundred years under 'Christian - Theocracy' I can't agree with you that these values had anything to do with the propagation of our great nation. It is because of the the founding father's fears of religion that we have developed to where we are. Let's say for the sake of argument that Judeo-Christian values has led us to where we are now. I would still say that standing on moral values perpetuated thousands of years ago is detrimental to the progress of our kind. If we did develop from these values what is beyond that? Can we come any farther?! Of course we can!!! We need to break-free from our archaic beliefs. Yes, some of them are great! Thou shall not kill or steal. Those are good ones...keep those. That umm one about the golden rule...sounds great to me. Where in the bible does it talk about stem cell research? Embryonic research? Genetics? Health-Care? the Environment? Abortion? Gay-Marriage? Social-Equality? Poverty? Evolution? Science in general? Christian values are often detrimental to progress in these areas. Religion is scary to me because instead of a vehicle for opening up minds and education it is a vehicle for the closing of minds and fear mongering.
Toggle Commented Apr 1, 2010 on Texas curriculum at Unfettered Letters
Bashiba, What you fail to include is that a nation built on hatred of God doesn't work. Atheists (at least free thinkers) don't deny the possibility of God (however unlikely) I am not opposed to your beliefs about after-life and about deities. They are yours and yours to keep. But when your beliefs about moral values and societal issues are based on an archaic blood-thirsty diety we have a problem. Atheism has been synonymous with communism. But what about Humanism? is that a communist agenda? Is the propagation of the human race through science, altruism, and rationality a communist agenda? I think it would be hard to argue, (albeit maybe impossible) to argue that religion has been the saver of lives! I think soap and antibiotics have done a much better job at that.
Toggle Commented Apr 1, 2010 on Texas curriculum at Unfettered Letters
I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?") I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789 They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion. -Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800
Toggle Commented Apr 1, 2010 on Texas curriculum at Unfettered Letters
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782 Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination. -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
Toggle Commented Apr 1, 2010 on Texas curriculum at Unfettered Letters
Rick, I agree with you that Atheists nor any other organized religion should take power. Although we have yet to see an Atheist state that allowed religious freedom...could be interesting. One thing that I would want you to understand is that lumping groups of people together because of one member and labeling them all militant is dangerous. It affects your ability to accurately perceive the group as a diverse set of individuals. The idea that KCFF is organized on these blogs is laughable to say the least. There is no organization about it just concerned responses. I would like to invite you all to a meetup sometime! They are fun and full of warm and intelligent people filled with wonderful differences and backgrounds. Check us out!
Toggle Commented Apr 1, 2010 on Texas curriculum at Unfettered Letters
I feel like I'm posting the same stuff over and over again...but Jefferson was quoted about encompassing freedom to all religions in the Constitution. The word 'God' does appear in the Declaration. But the founding fathers were mostly products of the Enlightenment. Jefferson especially is outspoken against religion in many ways all throughout his letters. Since Jefferson was a Deist and if we read exegesis from the Declaration it is obvious to see that the use of the word God is the 'supreme being' who created nature. Christians enjoy adopting this because their bible tells them that their God created the world. But in fact all other major religions have worship a 'creator' or some sort.
Toggle Commented Apr 1, 2010 on Texas curriculum at Unfettered Letters
The problem with your logic kee is the financial bailouts...job spending...stimulus bill are all aftermath of 8 years of a tyrant right-wing Magog loving looney :D I think the first 2 years of Obama spending should be tacked on to the 8 years of terror we just endured.
Toggle Commented Mar 30, 2010 on Unbecoming behavior at Unfettered Letters
Although I believe that this current health-care bill is completely inadequate and fails to fight off the real problems of privatized health-care industry. I see it as a good step in the right direction. And if we want to throw numbers our there how about this: Bush added 4 Trillion dollars of debt to nearly 1/3rd of the total overall federal debt when Obama entered office. I guess no one cares about spending when the words 'terrorist' and 'patriot' are thrown in the sentence. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500803_162-4486228-500803.html
Toggle Commented Mar 30, 2010 on Unbecoming behavior at Unfettered Letters
@ Rick Who do you think she meant Rick? And your reference to this court case is silly. Holmes was a well known Moral Relativist. Are you equating Moral Relativity to Racism? The word imbecile literally means 'fool'. So I can hardly equate that to a racist statement. Court Ordered sterilization till takes place today in our society. And although we have made some great strides as far social equality its not hard in Kansas City to realize we still have a long ways to go. I'm sure you have spent a lot of time on Prospect or Troost. Poverty creates crime...and since our great "Christian" nation has obviously decided to neglect the poor, impoverished, and indigent, while increasing disparity in drug sentencing and offering little of value as far as support and rehabilitation. Meanwhile we still give our tithes every sunday to build mega-churches and fund Pat Robertson's TV slot. I wonder what would happen if all of that money was put to actual good use?
Toggle Commented Mar 25, 2010 on Go, Jayhawks! at Unfettered Letters
@ Kee Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination. -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom Lori...All you have to do do is go to the Christian bookstore and read all the books about 'America's Prophet' and the 'Faith of Our Fathers' and even though it is far from truth...it is geared towards an audience who needs to be spoon fed their history and are not brave enough to adventure on their own to research the history of their religion. Ignorance is bliss...and as long as the masses are ignorant they will follow whatever deity or pseudo-god that 'feels' right to them. They are socially raised to be followers...sheep if you will...and all that the shepherd asks for in return is money and support. They turn on the TV and watch the politicians who support their beliefs and make claims about "God's Country" and 'Taking back America'...and donating to the campaign. Education is the key to progress...when the people fully understand how the systems work they will know the way to make the systems work for them instead of being taken advantage of it. Fear is their greatest tool...fear of 'fire and brimstone' fear of 'socialism' 'fear of death' and the 'here-after (whatever that may be) whatever red herring they can post the most on TV channels and in the pulpits. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
To Adam: I find it very interesting how quick you are to point out that that Iggy has said things like "Bullet through the brain of a Xian" and "In a ditch like Jimmy Hoffa" etc etc....when your own King of the world sky daddy incarnate said the exact same things and used the exact same figures of speech For example, in Matthew 7:3-5, he said: And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. John 15 :6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. Your Xian Bible is full of hyperbole and metaphor...for much of the same reason you refuse to understand Atheists you will never understand the truths about Christianity
Toggle Commented Mar 4, 2010 on Include Christianity at Unfettered Letters
Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination. -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782 The founding fathers were not mostly Christian...James Madison, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin among many others were mostly deists and wanted to keep religion out of government to protect people from religion as much as they wanted to protect people's 'rights' to religion
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