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R.e. these church planting movements don't happen so much in the West cause there so many more poor people in the Third World. That's dumb. There's a lot of poor people around here. You just aren't seeing them. Perhaps they're just not into these intellectual conversations. :) Ilona
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Love those last two sentences, Bryan: "As followers of Christ, how do we love well? Do we praise the beauty of the emperors new clothes..." On the other hand, I live with roommates (guys) who aren't followers of Christ, and who do the "sex" thing with their girlfriends. What, am I supposed to say, "I'm not going to stone you, but go forth and have no more sex in this house?" We all do a lotta different things to find, feel, reach love. "How do we love well?" Great question. Does it really come down to what's right or what's wrong? In fact, the Pharisees were the ones who seemed to think, at least, that they were doing right, in following all the "right" laws. ( Ha- nobody in this conversation about sexual preferences even used the word "sex".......hmmmmm....."the emperor's new clothes.....") Just my impressions, I'm no expert/intellectual. Wheeeee........
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Hi- Not so much into the stage theory thing, but I like the idea that Love Wins. In my renewed relationship with God, its been all about discovering Gods love for me. I have a lot of experience in those churches that like to label who is going to hell and who is going to heaven. What human can know any other human's heart? The whole thing to me is in living a life in a love relationship with God. The rest is superfluous.
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As far as music being derivative, it's really not just the CCM market that's guilty of this. The early British bands, aka Beatles and Rolling Stones, copied black American rock and blues musicians, such as Little Richard and Muddy Waters. Currently, hip hop and rap are based on sampling music from the past- r & b and rock stuff both. Music doesn't exist in a vacuum. I can't speak about other art, not knowing as much about it. I wasn't brought up in a christian culture. I play in a worship band in a church but don't feel any pressure to JUST listen to worship music. I guess the criteria I would apply to a piece of music is whether it moves me. And the christian part of it would be that it doesn't move me to worship false gods or hate people.
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Ha- as a worship musician myself, the coolest thing I heard lately from one of the congregation was, paraphrased, "I like when the music is loud enough that I can sing as loud as I want and no one notices how bad I sing." Much better than a worship musician (could it be me?), who says, "Come together, over me." (The Beatles)
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To me day to day life is full of shoulds. It's God that gives me the freedom to live a life that's free-er. Funny, I've been reading deuteronomy lately, and I've been seeing how much God wanted a covenant, a relationship with human beings. I think, that the culture back then was different. From what I see written in deuteronomy- God really wanted human beings to worship him. That seems to be the theme. It was basically a choice between worship, clinging to Him, following Him, or worshipping other gods. The worshipping other gods was likened to adultery. So as for the "shoulds"- for me, that's the painful part of this life. Grace? Grace? Grace? That's the way out of the bondage part of this life that is just a part of this world.
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Ha ha ha, John M: I've been having a REALLY hard time figuring the circle/line/dot/point thing out. It's clear NOW!!
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Nothing else to say except my church made me feel loved and at peace and that I belong today. The rest of these conversations are just a complicated mess to me. Sorry if that offends you. Let me know the day that you decide that Dave is God. Boom boom.
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Ha ha ha- you're killing me! I think it has something to do (also?) with me leaving the Cambridge Vineyard to attend another Vineyard that's not filled with "Dave" speak. :)
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Hi Brian, Thanks for responding and I do remember you talking at the conference- but I didn't perceive it as an angry remark. And I'm not so sure that I think day-to-day about the culture wars. One member of my church's group said the the various stages are likened to stages of "coolness"- stage 1 being the lowest and stage 4 being the highest. I saw this conflict especially in one of the break-out groups I attended. It's sort of a dismissal of those Christians in stage 2. I can't even say I agree with Scott Peck's theories of life development. So they really don't mean a whole lot to me as far as spirituality. So why would I even go to such a conference? I wanted to make sure the church I just started going to isn't on the road to hell- LOL. Again, people in my church group were split up about the GLBT issue: some against "homosexuality" (in their words) and some openly gay. This past year I've had a great wonderful new fresh encounter with the love of Christ. I guess it had nothing to do with Dave's theories. Is it insulting for me to say this? I don't know- you tell me----
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Hi Dave- What can I say: other people in my church group that went to the meetings disagreed with your refusal to take a position. I guess your refusal to take a position put me in confusion. Then that made me depressed, feeling like I was at a distance from God cause I didn't agree with you. Isn't it ok NOT to agree with you? God doesn't reject me does He? I felt Jesus' love this morning, so I know He hasn't left me. I was worried there for a minute: I mean, emotionally, I felt disconnected at the end of Wednesday's session. I would have thought it was the goal of the conference to help people connect. Is it just me, or did other people also feel less connected? I know others in my church group didn't agree with the non-stances the conclusions at the summit. Usually I think that if I'm feeling something, others are too, whether they want to say it or not. So this is why I posted what I did, and yes, some things DO make me angry, whether that is "politically correct" or not. I hope this helps :)
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What? Is this for comments about the Blue Ocean Summit? Wow, that just blew. Is this ok to say? Especially finding out that tuesday night's LGBT talks weren't recorded....What a load of crap. I guess I'm just not one of those willing to take part in endless "conversations" that never come up with a "position..." Kind of like pissing into the wind, LOL
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Good one. I finally can "get on board" with one of these posts. "In my neighborhood, we don't talk freely of being broken." In the neighborhood I was IN, everyone WAS broken. Instead of God breaking me DOWN, he broke me up. I don't think that's proper english- but don't know how else to say it. To have the visceral, emotional experience of God's love... Yeah, is all I say! All this intellectualization- jeez..."In my neighborhood" I was already broken down. Hello- I think God likes to bring us up. Ted Haggard- IDK- what is he to me? Just another man- maybe like another Pharisee or Sadducee in the gospels. I'm just one of the common folk.
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I give up with you all.
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Ted's talking "ideals" God expects of us, as to pray always and "not to eat too much" (the latter is a new one to me :) ). I've been really broken but didn't have a higher rung to which I was broken down to- as he seems to say he has. I'm clueless as to what is right or wrong with the GLBT community. I have enough issues about what is right or wrong with the "heterosexual" community. WHAT is love? Most everyone would agree that sexually abusing children is WRONG- and this has happened in the church especially- and seems to be the most disgusting no matter what sexuality anyone practices. Who the hell has a corner on brokenness? Jesus reaches out. Us humans are arrogant enough quite frequently to only come to God when we wreck our lives in one way or another. When we are found out. Or when we are just mentally or physically incapable of dealing with the structures of this world. No one one this blogsite seems to talk about mental illness. Sometimes when you're broken there, you're just broken. You don't pull yourself up. Only God pulls you up. Just a little rambling here....Thank God I can ramble on and God can still reach ME.
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Thanks for you digital warmth :), Holly. I left the Not Religious Type (but we like to talk circles around it) atmosphere for what I find to be a more warm, engaging and place for an actual heartfelt relationship w/God. I really don't have anything good to say (sorry) about the 40 days of faith- works oriented- experiment w/God. I DO appreciate your compassion, hopefully not pity. I really don't like to come to this site, so bless YOU and the good things God does through you. Ilona
Toggle Commented Nov 15, 2009 on 40 Days of Faith at Not The Religious Type
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Even better I like when I'm not at an OFFICIAL CHURCH MEETING and God speaks to me through music. I think God is missing from a lot of those meetings. Sometimes it's just emotions with a lot of emotions- and fake, at that. Just people wanting to feel good. Ask them what they do the rest of the week, or how they treat their roommates... Aargh....
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Correction- saw you yoggin on thurs.
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LOL- Saw you "yoggin" in the neighborhood on Friday- and you weren't smilin.' Yeah, gettin' older I know the feeling. Reality catches up with us no matter what superlatives we believe. So many young people in the VFC that I don't think "reality"- or should I say age or maturity- has caught up with them. As for me- LOL- I still wanna be a SUPASTAH- like Molly Shannon, in the flick. Best wishes.
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Forgive the compulsive pedant. Move on.
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In other words: There's probably no God and stop worrying about the people who are suffering. Stay in your own bubble, keep texting, skypeing, im'ing, blogging- don't worry, there is no God, let them eat cake, thank god for great PR, what a superficial world we live in. Be a happy monkey! Christian or not! Tired of all this dumbness.... I kind of doubt that if Jesus showed up many of us would be in a place to even recognize Him..... Thank God I didn't have to study twelve million books and philosophies to see there is a God. If you don't want to believe in God, should I care and why? Happiness is a hard thing for all of us to get to. Or maybe it's just me. Life is too hard for too many of us to diddle around about bus signs.
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That picture is funny. Do you think you could find a more modern picture that one could relate to? I am not around mountains or ravens...
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