Apple refurbs are a great way to go. We bought our first Mac refurb here at Hope this year and I've personally bought 3 Macs (and 2 iPods) refurbed with no problems. And depending on what you get, the discount is often larger than the 10%. A helpful hint, refurb inventory changes almost constantly, so if you see something you need, buy it then. Otherwise you may have to wait awhile before it shows up again.