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I thought this was a non-event until it garnered so many comments/column inches from Frisch. Now I think that there is more there, there. At the end of the day governance = what can I do with 'my' property (income, livelihood, land, home, free time)... and what am I FORCED to do by the heavy hand of the collective?
conservetarian works. It would be a lot easier to be at peace if the USA did not spend decades kicking the wasps nest. Now, I would promote the managed homecoming of our troops abroad 'yesterday.' In the case of the middle east I think it would serve us best to leave our weaponry/ordnance there. “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain” -Churchill CONTINUED... And if you're not a Libertarian/conservetarian at seventy you're probably dead.
Why wait (Rebane 12:10pm)? But, I must commend your updated post, especially when you wrote "..why their Messiah finally got his socks wet traversing the Galilee"- loved it! I have a paper wasps nest in an Oak tree outside my front door. If I had arrogantly/haphazardly 'attacked' it at 2am when my dog drew my attention to it I would now be suffering. For upon further review (with natural light) my middle-of-the-night attacks would have done nothing but exacerbate the problem (pissing off the wasps and multiplying future nests). I am thankful that my encounter occurred when I had my wits about me. What would my plan have been the morning after a failed attempt? I hope by now you can see the parallels to our countries ugly foreign policy past AND THE PROBLEM THAT FACES A PEACE LOVING LIBERTARIAN. Past 'leaders' (term used loosely) have put our country into the position of puppet master (occupier) without regard to precedent, exit strategy, attainable objectives... in other words past 'leaders' have kicked the wasp nest and handed over the keys to the farm laden with wasps. I hope this is at least somewhat coherent :)
Agreed Ryan on all counts (10:56am) “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain” -Churchill CONTINUED... And if you're not a Libertarian at seventy you're probably dead.
How does Romney's handkerchief presence account for Obama's tongue being tied (rhetorical)! LOL.
One beauty of being an independent thinker is being able to be objective. I opined before the debate that "this is where Obama will shine and distance himself even more from Romney." I could not have been more wrong and I am man enough to admit it. I think Romney is hungry and Obama's tongue atrophied after 4 years of getting tossed softballs by the MSM. Obama doesn't have a chance (without lying) in the foreign policy debate but I think he will have a stellar 2008-like performance (used literally) at one of the next 2 debates.
Rebane, is this "granular" enough for you? Biden and his ilk would have been lining Jews up for 'train rides' decades ago. Their message? Hate. "On top of the trillions of dollars of spending that we have already cut, we’re gonna ask – yes – we’re gonna ask the wealthy to pay more," said Biden. "My heart breaks, come on man. You know the phrase they always use? Obama and Biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars. Guess what? Yes we do in one regard. We want to let that trillion dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn’t have to bear the burden of all that money going to the super wealthy. That’s not a tax raise, that’s called fairness where I come from."
The.Best.Tweet.of.the.night David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog Poor guy, couldn't get it up on his anniversary.
Obama got owned. Here are the nights best tweets: Bill Maher ‏@billmaher i can't believe i'm saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter Keith McCullough ‏@KeithMcCullough "Jim, you may want to move onto another topic" -@BarackObama on the economy Joe Hagan ‏@joehagansays Worse wedding anniversary ever? #obama #debate2012 @Heminator That wasn't a debate so much as Mitt Romney just took Obama for a cross country drive strapped to the roof of his car. @NoelSheppard: Apparently Obama spent as much time preparing for this debate as he has reading national security briefings!”
If I were Romeny I would run ads with this in it starting yesterday...
Toggle Commented Oct 1, 2012 on Ruminations – 25sep12 at Rebane's Ruminations
Answer: No, No Q: Is what we have working and fixable. Posted by: Ryan Mount | 28 September 2012 at 10:36 AM
I believe that every law should be fair (not bought by a class or lobbyist). It does appear that you concede that the progressive tax system is not fair since you are now asking for concessions to include "total tax burden."
Is this fair? Teacher announces: All students who earned A's and B's will be downgraded to having C's. All students who have earned d's and f's will be upgraded to having C's. Can you predict the performance next semester?
A first grader can point out the unfairness of a progressive tax system. By definition it is not fair, it is discriminatory. A system where everyone benefits and only 50% pay the bill is not fair. A flat or fair tax whereby every citizen pays the same % of income would be fair. The changes (up/down) in earnings for various classes is of no significance to property rights. What you are saying is that the private property of the wealthy has less rights/protection than the private property of another class.
The real world: My taxes were slashed by Bush Tax Cuts (his best policy decision in 8 years) My taxes have risen (slightly) under the Obama Admin (using every metric I can measure) My taxes will SOAR if Bush Tax Cuts expire (I am already decreasing my revenue, laid off employees, will not hire to cope, fighting growth/production, not taking risks, etc)
Is it not true that a wealthy man would pay more in $ terms than a poor man if both paid the same % of income? Regarding 9:35am No different than saying 'darker skinned people should have different (less) rights than a lighter skinned man.' (a belief upheld for years by the rule of law). "I am saying rich people earn more thus they should be taxed more. " Posted by: Steven Frisch | 28 September 2012 at 09:35 AM
Ryan, I share your frustrations about the progressive's arguments supporting the progressive tax system. Perhaps what pains me the most is that they claim equality via such an openly unequal system. Ugh. By now y'all know that I use the progressive tax system to highlight how hypocritical/illogical/immoral the progressives ideology is (using gov as their collective gun). It's an argument I can't lose. Progressives claim to fight for equality using an unjust system. Tax code is but one example. Progressives empower government to allow for corporatism, but that is for another comment stream.
Thanks for the factual support Rebane and Mount. I would add the 5th, 9th and 10th Amendments (to the aforementioned 14th Amendment) to protect individual private property rights from government/collective. I purposely used the term immoral as a place holder for stealing/looting/plundering which any decent human would see as immoral activities. Surely you don't believe that an activity is moral based on being 'accepted' by a majority (think Nazi Germany)? "Government is saying that if you want government to enforce your contracts, and respect your property, you have to play by a set of rules that balances the rights of the individual with the rights of other individuals, including their property rights, in the society." This is one of your illogical statements (I use the progressive tax system as my case and point). You are claiming some equality among individuals when in fact a mob/majority votes to steal (an immoral act) from the minority. The progressive tax system's attack on individual property is akin to the segregation of black Americans that taints our history.
At the Farm/Food Conference last year a guest speaker suggested that 'Americans [he was Canadian] should vote to have government take un-used agriculture land away from land owners who are not generating food for society'. This is no different than our tax code. A mob agreeing to steal from the individual for the benefit of the collective. Private property died in 1913.
Steve, my tax code comment was 1 simple example of how your 'equality under the laws' argument is illogical. Furthermore, it exemplifies how a mob can use the heavy hand of government to steal from another. Your definition allows for/promotes the use of mob rule (democracy) to target one class of citizen by another. The top wage earners are robbed by the votes of the low wager earners (obviously the "Takings Clause" does not apply). Under current law the property of one man is treated differently than the property of another man, that is not equality under the law. I could have used employee versus employer rights to make the same point (or myriads of other examples - landlords vrs renters, etc). In the employee versus employer example one class has fought to stripe another of their equal rights. Employers don't have 1/10th of the rights that employees have attained through mob rule. Again the "Takings Clause" does not apply.
Steve your 9:20am post is in error. One example being the progressive tax system which does not match a moral code whereby equality in the law is exhibited. It is, an envious mob empowered by democracy using the gun of government against the private property of another class. Period. In practice it is one class stripping another of their rights of private property. If that (mob rule) is the working definition of governance then I am an anarchist. Collectivism is slavery. " That is the very definition of governance. the management of power and policy to support collective social values and meet collective social ends."
I consider abortion a personal moral issue. The government (Fed/State) should not be involved. There is no reason why the government should know your sexual preference either. $16 TRILLION in debt and we are focused on sex, God help us.
Private property as we know it died in 1913. Even today I can't legally do much of anything with 'my property' (income, land, home, cars, etc) without government permission. The notion of property tax or income tax or gas tax or .... has stripped us of our property rights. 'Today' the government/collective owns everything and permits fools like me to borrow their property. "None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free." --Johann von Goethe
George, glad to know that you have a strong enough stomach to listen to NPR (I don't). Ironic that Obama spoke about slavery on the same day that I received a 'thanks to Obamacare we are raising your health premiums 58% letter.'. Mr. President, progressivism is slavery.
Toggle Commented Sep 25, 2012 on Ruminations – 25sep12 at Rebane's Ruminations
some tax facts: my favorite is that Taxing the rich won’t solve the debt problem: