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The 3 reasons I believe taking the lowest paid out of tax altogether was right are (in this order): It's fairer, it'll make work more was attractive than benefits, it appeals to voters who may not usually vote Tory. The inheritance tax cut and the married couples allowance would've been us pandering to the converted IMO. How many semi-well off voters voted Labour in 2010? I'd guess it was way way down on 97 or 01. Labour's vote does well in Wales, Scotland (until recently), the North and in the cities. What we as Conservatives need to do is make sure (some of/lots of) our policies at the next election are targetted as those who typically vote LibDem or Labour. Of course lots of people on the right wing of the party will be disgusted and go to UKIP, but without getting NEW votes for us then we'll never get a majority. Did we have the best policies in 2010? I think we had better ones than Labour, but did our policies appeal to all people or just to a certain group? We didn't win a majority so that answers that. We need to realise that although the campaign was terrible and the tv debates helped Clegg for a while - if our policies were brilliant then we would've won despite the last few weeks of campaigning. Let's drop the BS and focus on the main issues: Getting growth & jobs, cutting the deficit, dropping the toxic NHS reforms because we lose all trust on the NHS forever, proper rehabilition for prisoners so they don't offend as soon as they're released (prison works, until they're released!) & better education for all kids no matter where they live. I think we're winning the argument on education and free schools, the Universal Credit, but lots of other arguments are ones we're losing - NHS, soft on law & order, EU powers & bailouts. I just hope we learn something from the LibDems and realise that populist/fair policies are ones that'll win us more voters, not preaching to the converted.
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So a £20billion funding gap, huh? Funny that wasn't mentioned before. Is someone trying to scare people into going along with his reforms? I think he is. Privatise the NHS? If you want us to lose every election for the next century then you've just found the perfect policy for helping us do so. The public love the NHS and before the election Cameron had built some trust. These attempted reforms have destroyed that trust and it's yet another example of us shooting ourselves in the foot and scoring an own goal. The forests, the multiple u-turns, the big society that only a select few actually believe in? Labour must love having us in power. It's like the mid 90s all over again.
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I agree. At least in coalition we're getting through some of what we want. In a minority government then we'd be weaker and we'd be isolated. Would the Lib Dems be supporting any cuts if they were still in opposition? Hmmm... probably not. Would the country stomach TORY cuts? I doubt it - especially not in the North/cities where we barely exist. The Lib Dems have given us more credability on cuts IMO and WHEN growth comes then a lot of the petty fighting will seem irrelevant because both coalition parties will benefit in the polls. We have to understand that for the 4th time in a row - we DIDN'T win a majority and 92's election was hardly a ringing endorsement either, was it?! Being more right wing on certain things (europe, law & order) would be good but being too right wing would only lose us votes. See 01 & 05 elections for evidence of this. Cameron did well in opposition, but not well enough. Osbourne ran a terrible election campaign. Somebody like Pickles would've done a much better job. Actually, our campaign stank last yr and Osbourne needs to stick to his brief and leave the campaign management to others.
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That's right. Let the little children die of famine and disease because it's not your problem. Nice to see the nasty side of our party is still alive and well. Makes me feel sick reading these messages. Some of us give to charity AND want the government to do the same. Some of you are so selfish it's incredible. I've got no doubt that if you saw a child in the street begging for something to eat, you'd cross the road and let them starve. Grow a conscience.
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Snap. Sometimes I feel really proud of this party (taking the lowest earners out of tax, tax corp cuts, good education reforms) and other times (most of the heartless, selfish comments on this page) I feel really ashamed to be in this party. We were lucky as hell to be born in a country where dying of famine/disease is a rarity. Put yourselves in the places of those who weren't so lucky and you'll see how cold it is to basically say "let them die. I want a tax cut."
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I hate Ed Balls and what he stands for, but unlike some I'm quite happy to agree with the action he took. Last time I looked, we fought the 2005 general election with "accountability" as one of the main themes and so if Ed Balls hadn't got rid of Shoesmith who blatantly wasn't in control of her team then I would've been furious. When something fails and when a child dies because procedures weren't in place then I want to see the people to blame actually punished for it. I think lots of people on the right will use any possible oportunity to bash Ed Balls, but on this single occasion - I won't be jumping on the bandwagon. He did the right thing and if he'd not ditched her then we would've had a field day with him.
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So instead of actually tackling poverty, we simply move the goalposts to make it LOOK like we are?!! Really? That sounds a hell of a lot like something Labour would do. We're better than that. Let's get people off benefits and into work. Private sector jobs not public sector jobs. Let's stop trapping people on benefits, but let's help out the disabled, those bringing up families and those who genuinely can't find work. There's nothing compassionate about trapping people on benefits forever. Labour seem to think it's ok to forget these people, it's not. We shouldn't be afraid to take Labour on on this issue. It's simple. THEY trap people on benefits. WE get people into work so that they don't need benefits. Not only is it good for the economy, it's good for those who get jobs because it gives them self worth and they can be proud that they're providing for themselves and their families.
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Always good to see a defection TO us, but her reasons sound less about her voters and more about her own issues. If you weren't being heard in your party than maybe you should've spoken up a bit more?
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I agree with most of the main post. Tereasa May was right when she said we're seen as the "nasty" party and the NHS spending rises/international aid rises did well to soften our image a little. Shame then that the NHS "reforms" have undone some of that rebranding and also many many of our MPs bitching about the international budgets going up doesn't help either. I know the right of the party like to think we'll win elections by being MORE right wing, but 97, 01 and 05 prove that they're wrong. We won nearly 100 seats under Cameron last year and even though it wasn't enough for a majority - it was a good result IMO. The big society message needs dropping ASAP. Replace it with something people can actually connect with. Gordon Brown got criticised for not having a "vision" when he became PM. Cameron has a "vision" but it doesn't chime with the public. Middle classes and the rich are more than happy to have more power/say/competetition in public services, but anyone earning lower wages just sees this as "cutting services and being forced to fill in the gap ourselves." Don't believe me? Watch Question Time every week and you'll see the same opinions time and time again. "Are we meant to teach our own kids now are we? Are we meant to go put out fires and drive ambulances are we?" Everything's an extreme to a lot of people. Labour is losing the arguement on free schools & welfare, but we're going to get slaughtered for the NHS and other things. It's a shame we can't have the best of both worlds really. Tough on crime, welfare, immigration as most people in Britain want. Softer when it comes to things that people cherish like the NHS.
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I remember when Labour/Brown used to paint Osbourne & Cameron as isolated. Oh how things have changed. The Tories were actually AHEAD of the trend and led the way. Shame Labour didn't get the memo, eh?
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I never used to respect the Lib Dems, but I do now. They knew they'd get massacred by going into coalition with us, but they still did it. I don't think they did it just to be in power, but actually making a difference to the country is what most policians go into politics for so I wish people would stop saying "they sold out." There's nothing wrong with wanting to be in government so you can implement the policies you care about. Sure they've made lots of comprimises, but Lib Dem members should be happy that Clegg and co have managed to get so many of their policies through with such a small number of MPs. I personally think that we need the Lib Dems. If their vote collapsed to less than 5% at the next election I reckon about 75% of those past Lib Dem voters would switch to Labour. By having 2 left parties against our 1 right of center party - we benefit. Imagine if the LibDems didn't exist at the last election - I think Labour would've won a majority. Last year, Cameron took a big gamble and it's one which I really agreed with and I still do. In 2015 I want to see Labour destroyed, Tories rewarded for saving the economy and LibDems soaking up some of Labour's core vote. My ideal would be: Tories 44%, Lib Dems 28% & Labour 22%. Do I think that'll happen? No. But I'm still going to hope for it.
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I can't wait to see this tonight!! There was a programme on BBC2a few months ago about the coalition forming and I found it really interesting. I always enjoy hearing the views of ministers about behind the scenes goings on in government. From the look of what's above it seems Cam & Clegg were interviewed together? If so, I'm guessing this was filmed before AV-wars lol
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I don't think Tory voters "like the thought" of cuts. But, we realise that it has to be done. What is Labour's solution to any problem? Borrow more money, pay more debt interest, waste more money. A lot of people here in Wales and in England have very short memories. Osbourne once said something about "why would you give the keys back to the person who crashed the car?" Luckily, the Scottish people realised they were being taken granted for and opted for SNP instead. Tories made small gains in Wales & England so I'm happy.
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In retrospect it was very clever of Cameron to form the coalition. I've always supported it, but some must feel quite silly today. The LibDems took the big hit, Labour failed in Scotland, we did okay everywhere bar scotland & let's be honest this was SNP's night. Well done to them. I'd 100% prefer SNP be in charge of Scotland than Labour. We did far better in England & Wales than I expected.
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I knew it'd be less than good GDP today, but it's better than negative growth or 0.1,0.2,0.3 or 0.4% growth. I was hoping it'd be closer to 0.7/0.8% growth, but that was overly optimistic. The funny thing is - no matter what the GDP Ed Balls and Labour always claim a victory. Minus 0.5% "disaster! Their policies are ruining OUR recovery" +0.5% "disaster! They've ruined our recovery". Obviously I want GDP to be above 1% in the next few quarters, but the personal highlight will be seeing Ed Balls make THAT into a negative. We could grow by 10% and Balls would still either claim credit for it OR saying "it's a disaster!"
Toggle Commented Apr 27, 2011 on Economy grew by 0.5% in last quarter at thetorydiary
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I couldn't care less how nasty the Lib Dems are about us just so long as they back the government on the big things: Cutting the deficit, ending the something for nothing culture & doing much better on education. We need to just remember that a lot of Lib Dems have spent their entire lives fighting against Tory policies and so they're not going to be suddenly overjoyed to be in a coalition with us. I'm sure many of us hate a lot of their policies too, but I'd rather be actually implementing some good policies for the country than having a LibLab coalition. Imagine the damage that would've done to Britain.
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Even though I'm annoyed about the lack of standing up to Europe and the lack of a tough stance on law & order - I still want the coalition to see through its 5 years. I'm hopeful that by 2015 we'll have a strong economy and Labour will be shown up as the weak party it is. No ideas. No plans. No leadership. We will be rewarded at the polls for turning the economy around & the Lib Dems will be rewarded for not being Labour. M ideal has always been Labour relegated to 3rd party, Lib Dems as official opposition and us with a majority but no a massive majority because backbencher votes should always be important and not ignored IMO. Are Euro elections next year? I can see UKIP doing much much better than us in them if they are. We're not doing anything about Europe's red tape, money-grabbing and general power stealing ways.
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I think that rather than picking at Clegg we as a party should remember that without him and his leadership of the Lib Dems they'd be with Labour and we'd be moaning from the sidelines in opposition. Are we getting everything we want in government? No. But, it's a million times better than a LibLab Coalition would be or Labour majority government. Anway, as for this "article" I've got a rubbish memory and I find it tough to remember things that happened last year. Clegg couldn't remember something from 20+ years ago. So what? It'd be a story if there was proof that he HAD voted Tory back then and then "forgot," but this is such a non story it hurts. Let's just remember who the real opposition are (Red Ed & Labour.) We need to stop all this Lib Dem attacking. Look at the polls. They're already down. I don't want them out.
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Part of me thinks this "row" between Cameron & Cable is fake & just to show voters that the 2 parties are different and have different opinions in the run up to the local elections. Another part of me thinks that it might be genuine & unplanned & Cable might resign because of it. That'd be a big problem. I'm not a fan of Cable, but it's better to have him inside the tent peeing out than on the backbenches causing trouble. Yes, I know he's causing trouble from within the cabinet, but if he were to resign at biz sec then he'd obviously get support from many Lib Dem MPs and probably bring the coalition down. How many Lib Dems actually WANT to be in coaliton with our party? They've seen their poll numbers fall, their membership's probably plummetted, council leaders are angry, students feel cheated by them. I would MUCH prefer to have the coalition until 2015 than see a minority government that can't even get through basic policies. Our party is clearly to the right of Cameron/Coalition & Lib Dems are clearly to the left of Clegg/Coaliton, but the country isn't right or left wing - it's the middle. If we want to please grassroots then fine, but the wider public won't thank us for it in 2015.
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I agree with a lot of what you said. It seems to me that there are loads of people in the cabinet who are there for reasons other than merit and no I'm not talking about ALL Lib Dems. Cameron should grow a pair, ditch the deadwood and put talented people in their place. I know Michael Howard is getting on a bit, but he's got a proven track record on cutting crime so surely it's wrong to ignore those talents. He & Cameron should be close given that they worked together so back in the day. I'd like to see David Laws & David Davis in cabinet. I think Ken Clarke would be better in business - the department he prepared for in opposition. Although red tape from Europe would likely be ignored by him so that'd be a worry. Why not appoint an ultra Euro-sceptic Red Tape Cutting Minsiter? Anyway, I 100% think there should be a reshuffle, not just because of the local elections results (brace yourselves everybody!) but because there are loads of weak links in the cabinet and you're only ever as strong as your weakest link apparently. I don't think Danny Alexander gets enough credit if I'm honest. Taking the poorest out of tax is something the whole coalition can be proud of and should be reminding Labour at every chance that in 13 years - they NEVER did it. Pupil premium is another great policy, the schools revolution is looking good, growth will hopefully be higher than predicted (not just to see Ed Balls' face, but because I'm sick of the lefties claiming you solve a deficit by making it bigger!!)
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I don't follow Scottish politics closely, but I would love to see us do better in these elections. It'll be tough, but I really hope people warm to the telling it like it is message and it's brave of Annabelle to do a broadcast like this. She's basically saying "look, this is me. Trust in me and my MSPs and we will deliver." If our party is ever going to win a general election outright I think winning more seats in Scotland would be a massive help/essential. I know these elections aren't a GE, but if we look like we're on the up in Scotland then it'll be a great thing. I think Lib Dems will suffer badly and I hope we benefit rather than Labour/SNP.
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So you're going to ignore a businessman from the North and claim that you know better? Wonder where you live... I think HS2 is the right thing to do. Just look at Labour's record on private sector jobs in the North. I think I heard somewhere that for every 10 jobs created in the South in the last few years - just 1 was created in the North. This is really not good enough and it's not just an issue of fairness (giving people in the North more of a chance to get employment), but it's also good politics on our part. I'm sick of being the party for the South. Why the hell shouldn't we try to win back voters in the North, in Wales, in Scotland? Labour have failed these voters, but most of them will stick with what they know at the next election unless we do more to help them improve their lives. I know the cuts are coming, but as the public sector loses staff I'm confident that the private sector can grow strongly. We can't just dismiss this HS2 because a few people don't want it.
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I disagree with the LibDems pro-Europe stance & their soft attitude on crime, but on most other things I think they've done well in the coalition. Without them supporting the cuts that we're doing - markets would've been spooked. If we were in a minority government right now - we'd be so weak. At least we're getting laws through as we are. And as someone in a Labour area with Labour parents/friends (poor me!) it's nice to have a government that's more centre-right than right wing. When they say "cuts are unfair," I say "1. Labour built the deficit. 2. The government's doing lots to help the poorest out of tax/keep NHS spending up/pupil premium etc etc" It's good to have policies that appeal to a broader range of people rather than ones that appeal to a specific amount of people. Elections are won on the centre ground and I really believe we should stay there if we want to do well in 2015.
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He only said it jokingly. It's hardly a big deal is it? Of course they agree on a lot - they're in a coalition and they're working together. I'd rather have Clegg & Cam working together in the national interest rather than Brown & Blair working against each other for their own gains.
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